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SRRM

Number of posts: 423 Age: 25 Location: Santa Rosa, CA Registration date: 2008-11-02 Points: 1211
 | Subject: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:48 pm | |
| Lots of things can be categorized as accidents. But rape doesn't seem like one of them. Last week, an employee at Weatherly Inn, an assisted living facility for Alzheimer's patients in Kent, heard a patient crying. When the employee went into the room, they found 35-year-old Douglas McGregor, a nurse at Weatherley, standing over the 71-year-old woman with his genitals exposed. When police questioned him, McGregor told them it was all a big misunderstanding; the woman had accidentally popped off the top button of his pants, thereby unwittingly exposing him. Left unsaid is why a woman with Alzheimer's had her hand near the nurse's crotch. Weatherly responded quickly. Calling 911 and alerting their residents' families to the alleged incident. McGregor, who has no prior criminal history, has been charged with second-degree rape. He's currently being held on $250,000 bond. http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/03/douglas_mcgregor_nurse_at_old.php |
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Hguols

Number of posts: 1317 Age: 30 Location: Irving, Illinois Registration date: 2009-09-09 Points: 1729
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:58 pm | |
| "A fender-bender is an accident. Exposing yourself to an old lady is not."AAAAAAHAHAHAA!!!!!! Sorry, I probably shouldn't have laughed, or said I laughed. The picture and that statement would be a perfect poster to hang up nursing homes nationwide. ....and McDonald's drive-thru's. _________________  | olias wrote: | | Cooking makes me feel better. I reflect my feelings when I cook. I felt bitter, so I made a steak marinaded with bitter liquids, and with a side of raw bitter vegetables. It is rather cathartic. But that's just me. Or I shoot stuff. But that is hardly poetic. Well...it can be. |
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wizardovmetal

Number of posts: 935 Age: 18 Registration date: 2009-08-18 Points: 1486
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:56 pm | |
| this does not fit the legal defenition of rape................. |
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therockismighty

Number of posts: 924 Age: 28 Location: Aussieland Registration date: 2009-06-14 Points: 1451
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:42 pm | |
| This is not rape... you have to physically or digitally do something. _________________ Live like He is coming any minute.... |
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wizardovmetal

Number of posts: 935 Age: 18 Registration date: 2009-08-18 Points: 1486
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:47 pm | |
| no rape is defined as penetration of........certain things.............. against a persons will without actually doing that, you cannot legally be accused of rape, he could though be accused of indecent exposure or something along those lines. |
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Garrison4JC

Number of posts: 333 Age: 37 Location: California Registration date: 2009-11-30 Points: 680
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:20 pm | |
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BryneVampyr

Number of posts: 251 Age: 43 Location: Utah Registration date: 2009-07-27 Points: 641
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:27 pm | |
| We don't know that he didn't rape the woman...the person who caught him may have walked in after he was finished. If he was charged with rape, I would assume that there was evidence of rape. |
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BryneVampyr

Number of posts: 251 Age: 43 Location: Utah Registration date: 2009-07-27 Points: 641
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:34 pm | |
| From another article about this incident: KENT, Wash. -- Prosecutors have charged a caretaker who claims he accidentally raped an elderly resident at the nursing home where he works...
...When questioned by detectives, McGregor claimed his sexual contact with the victim was accidental after she broke the button on his pants, exposing him.Entire article: http://www.komonews.com/news/85597577.html?Sounds to me like it was much more than just indecent exposure. |
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oldschooldoom

Number of posts: 1786 Age: 47 Location: Be a metal instrument for the Lord Registration date: 2009-07-28 Points: 2298
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:55 am | |
| We would need to know what constitutes "Second degree rape" in Kent. He just might be guilty by definition. Yet, some things still don't add up. |
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BryneVampyr

Number of posts: 251 Age: 43 Location: Utah Registration date: 2009-07-27 Points: 641
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:44 am | |
| http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.44.050RCW 9A.44.050 Rape in the second degree. (1) A person is guilty of rape in the second degree when, under circumstances not constituting rape in the first degree, the person engages in sexual intercourse with another person: (a) By forcible compulsion; (b) When the victim is incapable of consent by reason of being physically helpless or mentally incapacitated; (c) When the victim is a person with a developmental disability and the perpetrator is a person who is not married to the victim and who: (i) Has supervisory authority over the victim; or (ii) Was providing transportation, within the course of his or her employment, to the victim at the time of the offense; (d) When the perpetrator is a health care provider, the victim is a client or patient, and the sexual intercourse occurs during a treatment session, consultation, interview, or examination. It is an affirmative defense that the defendant must prove by a preponderance of the evidence that the client or patient consented to the sexual intercourse with the knowledge that the sexual intercourse was not for the purpose of treatment; (e) When the victim is a resident of a facility for persons with a mental disorder or chemical dependency and the perpetrator is a person who is not married to the victim and has supervisory authority over the victim; or (f) When the victim is a frail elder or vulnerable adult and the perpetrator is a person who is not married to the victim and who: (i) Has a significant relationship with the victim; or (ii) Was providing transportation, within the course of his or her employment, to the victim at the time of the offense. (2) Rape in the second degree is a class A felony. |
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metalgrinch

Number of posts: 483 Age: 28 Location: Long Island, New York Registration date: 2009-07-27 Points: 946
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:03 am | |
| The guy should be suspended without pay or fired (or just resign considering the embarrassment), but not brought up against the kind of rape charge. There doesn't appear to have been any evidence of a struggle, but investigators can check for semen or anything like that. The statement he gave that an elderly woman successfully exposed him is ridiculous. Unless she was maybe a big tough lady, but mostly likely she was too old and scrawny. We need a better visual here to make better arguments. _________________  |
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metalgrinch

Number of posts: 483 Age: 28 Location: Long Island, New York Registration date: 2009-07-27 Points: 946
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Hguols

Number of posts: 1317 Age: 30 Location: Irving, Illinois Registration date: 2009-09-09 Points: 1729
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:12 am | |
| I think either way, it's "sexual assault". Whether you molest, slap someone in the face with your noodle, or pin someone down and show them your junk. Perhaps the "rape" charge is for more (what the cops want) or less (what the criminal wants) time to serve for that specific charge. | metalgrinch wrote: | | therockismighty wrote: | | This is not rape... you have to physically or digitally do something. |
How does one rape digitally?  |
I was also not aware that you could digitally rape someone.
Penetration with studio equipment?_________________  | olias wrote: | | Cooking makes me feel better. I reflect my feelings when I cook. I felt bitter, so I made a steak marinaded with bitter liquids, and with a side of raw bitter vegetables. It is rather cathartic. But that's just me. Or I shoot stuff. But that is hardly poetic. Well...it can be. |
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MetalFRO

Number of posts: 2055 Age: 33 Location: Nebraska, USA Registration date: 2008-11-14 Points: 2444
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:32 pm | |
| I'm assuming you guys are kidding about the "digital" thing, right? I assume you all know it refers to the fingers...
I believe rape is probably a bit much in this case, especially if there's no physical evidence that the patient was "violated", but the guy (if guilty) should be flogged repeatedly. My grandfather had Alzheimer's and was in a home for a few years before he passed. I would have flipped out (in high school during that time) & beat someone down for even remotely attempting such a thing w/ my grandpa. |
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BryneVampyr

Number of posts: 251 Age: 43 Location: Utah Registration date: 2009-07-27 Points: 641
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:51 pm | |
| | MetalFRO wrote: | | I believe rape is probably a bit much in this case, especially if there's no physical evidence that the patient was "violated"... |
I am sure that there is physical evidence that the patient was violated. It is standard procedure to do a physical exam to collect forensic evidence in these cases. Certainly the results of this physical exam is what led to the charge of rape.
Everyone is assuming that the witness walked in just as the guy was exposing himself...that the witness saw everything that there was to see...but that is not necessarily the case. The witness did not see what was happening in that room prior to entering it. Just because the witness didn't walk in while the guy was in the act of having sexual intercourse with the patient doesn't mean that it didn't happen. And if sexual intercourse did occur, then it wouldn't be difficult to find physical evidence of that fact, and then bring the appropriate charges...which is what seems to have happened in this case. |
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Hguols

Number of posts: 1317 Age: 30 Location: Irving, Illinois Registration date: 2009-09-09 Points: 1729
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:08 pm | |
| | MetalFRO wrote: | | I'm assuming you guys are kidding about the "digital" thing, right? I assume you all know it refers to the fingers... |
OH! Not digital -- digit-al! I got confused there for a minute.
| MetalFRO wrote: | | I believe rape is probably a bit much in this case, especially if there's no physical evidence that the patient was "violated", but the guy (if guilty) should be flogged repeatedly. My grandfather had Alzheimer's and was in a home for a few years before he passed. I would have flipped out (in high school during that time) & beat someone down for even remotely attempting such a thing w/ my grandpa. |
GUY1: So, what are you in here for?
GUY2: Oh, I raped some dude's grandpa.
GUY1: .... wut?
GUY2: It was the way he was dressed man! He was just asking for it.
Hguols: *shudders*_________________  | olias wrote: | | Cooking makes me feel better. I reflect my feelings when I cook. I felt bitter, so I made a steak marinaded with bitter liquids, and with a side of raw bitter vegetables. It is rather cathartic. But that's just me. Or I shoot stuff. But that is hardly poetic. Well...it can be. |
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therockismighty

Number of posts: 924 Age: 28 Location: Aussieland Registration date: 2009-06-14 Points: 1451
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:01 pm | |
| digital= fingers, object, anything inserted into areas.....  _________________ Live like He is coming any minute.... |
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Hguols

Number of posts: 1317 Age: 30 Location: Irving, Illinois Registration date: 2009-09-09 Points: 1729
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therockismighty

Number of posts: 924 Age: 28 Location: Aussieland Registration date: 2009-06-14 Points: 1451
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:52 pm | |
| yes, and its Santas fault too! _________________ Live like He is coming any minute.... |
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metalgrinch

Number of posts: 483 Age: 28 Location: Long Island, New York Registration date: 2009-07-27 Points: 946
 | Subject: Re: Douglas McGregor, Nurse at Old Folks' Home, Claims Alleged Rape of Alzheimer's Patient an Accident Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:44 pm | |
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