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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:32 pm
I'm telling ya . . . . Gary Larson has it right
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:40 pm
JeffdlS wrote:
I'm telling ya . . . . Gary Larson has it right
nice , but I don't see any reason why we need to find an exact reason ofr the dinousaurs being extinct, most likely they died just like any other endangered species died out like Hgouls said, that mixed with the flood taking out the majority of them.
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:49 pm
Dinosaurs probably weren't that spectacular biologically.
I mean reptiles, for the most part, are very temperature sensitive - especially lizards. If they could only live in certain areas of the world, and people hunted them all....
Who's to say they weren't really slow, or stupid - like big dumb birds. (why turkeys are still here, I have no idea. Ever seen a turkey drown in the rain? It happens.)
Most really large animals have very large demands as far as food, and also very SLOW reproductive cycles.
I don't really know, but I'm thinking IF people hunted them / killed them for being a threat, and they're gone, they might have been easy pickings either way.
Judging from those dead "thunderbird" pictures, there could have been some sport involved. It's not like those guys could just tune into ESPN - it could have been fun to kill a big dumb animal.
....on a daily basis.
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:52 pm
Hguols wrote:
Who's to say they weren't really slow, or stupid - like big dumb birds. (why turkeys are still here, I have no idea. Ever seen a turkey drown in the rain? It happens.)
seriously?? ROFL
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:11 pm
Those bird pictures were sooooo fake.
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:08 pm
Ash, could you please provide us some good links [.org, .net, please!] to back up your ideas?
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:16 pm
My computer isnto working well.. otherwise I coudl do that, Exhumed. At the moment google barely works for me.
I wish I could dig up my epic thread on the fallacies of Darwinian theories from the Endtime Board (Nordic mIssion) that I posted years ago.. it is full of enough information and links to keep one busy for quite sometime.
There are so many things that are noteable.. i'll try to think of a few off of the top of my head-
Species- modern science still does not understand what a species is.
Evolution through Mutation- There has never in history been a mutation that has been seen to benefit it;'s host.. they always cause degeneration and or death.. Darwinian Evolution requires that this not be the case.
Cells- In the late 1800's, during teh time of Darwin.. scientists thought cells to be incredible simple things... today we knwo them to be as complex as a galaxy. WE have yet to understand their complete inner workings... but what we do understand is so Intelligently Designed that we have been able to discover new things about it by using the principles of Engineering. Ape ancestors- every skull that has been claimed to bne that of a Neanderthal has been debunked as an extinct "species" of ape. THer are over 700 known extinct species of ape, alone.
Species proliferation- For Darwinain evolution to be true.. we shoudl be seeing a trend throughout history of an increase in the number os species that exist. The opposite is seen. Since the furthest reaches of history.. there has been only a steady extinction of existing species.
Modern discoveries in Genetics- It was was once believed that Dna and Rna evoled more or less strands of informnation over time. This is not true. Dna and Rna information always remain at the samelevel .. but can be turned on or off like a light switch is turned on or off.. in respnse to envirnoment , stres.. toxins..etc. This is what gives us the ability to adapt to a limited extent.. but alas to develop new diseases and disorders. But there are always the same "light switches" that exist.. and never new ones.. or less.... as Darwinain evolution requires.
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:41 pm
^ yeah Darwin was flawed, funny thing is there is many scientists out there that know that stuff and report it, but it seems that they try as hard as they can to block that from the media and school textbooks
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:34 am
Whoa, easy killer, I was just making a statement. And they have actually seen the fused chromosomes and it looks just like what they expected.
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:47 am
Kamerad Ash wrote:
My computer isnto working well.. otherwise I coudl do that, Exhumed. At the moment google barely works for me.
I wish I could dig up my epic thread on the fallacies of Darwinian theories from the Endtime Board (Nordic mIssion) that I posted years ago.. it is full of enough information and links to keep one busy for quite sometime.
There are so many things that are noteable.. i'll try to think of a few off of the top of my head-
Species- modern science still does not understand what a species is.
Evolution through Mutation- There has never in history been a mutation that has been seen to benefit it;'s host.. they always cause degeneration and or death.. Darwinian Evolution requires that this not be the case.
Cells- In the late 1800's, during teh time of Darwin.. scientists thought cells to be incredible simple things... today we knwo them to be as complex as a galaxy. WE have yet to understand their complete inner workings... but what we do understand is so Intelligently Designed that we have been able to discover new things about it by using the principles of Engineering. Ape ancestors- every skull that has been claimed to bne that of a Neanderthal has been debunked as an extinct "species" of ape. THer are over 700 known extinct species of ape, alone.
Species proliferation- For Darwinain evolution to be true.. we shoudl be seeing a trend throughout history of an increase in the number os species that exist. The opposite is seen. Since the furthest reaches of history.. there has been only a steady extinction of existing species.
Modern discoveries in Genetics- It was was once believed that Dna and Rna evoled more or less strands of informnation over time. This is not true. Dna and Rna information always remain at the samelevel .. but can be turned on or off like a light switch is turned on or off.. in respnse to envirnoment , stres.. toxins..etc. This is what gives us the ability to adapt to a limited extent.. but alas to develop new diseases and disorders. But there are always the same "light switches" that exist.. and never new ones.. or less.... as Darwinain evolution requires.
Okay, I am just gonna throw in some tidbits.
There are positive mutations that occur, it happens in bacteria and plants all of the time. From what I have seen it is insanely rare, if it does happen at all within animals. But still, there are groups of people in Africa who are all of a sudden becoming immune to AIDS. I don't remember the reasons but I believe it was said that it was a positive mutation that occurred.
Ya, cells are crazy, that is a huge hole in darwinian theory. Especially cells with irreducible complexity. Major hole in natural selection.
The thing about the neandertals being classified incorrectly. Could you please give me a link because that sounds really interesting.
And, the decrease in the amount of species in the world throughout history is false man. The Cambrian Explosion saw an increase in species by such massive numbers that it is insane. The decrease as of late could be related to human development, but even still, that doesn't explain everything in my opinion.
The genetics thing, aren't disease constantly growing and evolving??? Isn't that how SARS became such an epidemic?
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sat Mar 13, 2010 5:19 am
vaterflaumig wrote:
Whoa, easy killer, I was just making a statement. And they have actually seen the fused chromosomes and it looks just like what they expected.
?So....... They just found some chromosomes lieing on the floor one day and decided to run tests on it?
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:46 am
yeah...I am sure that is what happened...it couldn't have possibly been that they actually did DNA tests on the actuall animals that they were interested in...no...they wouldn't have done that.
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:52 am
BryneVampyr wrote:
yeah...I am sure that is what happened...it couldn't have possibly been that they actually did DNA tests on the actuall animals that they were interested in...no...they wouldn't have done that.
So they ran tests on animals that were missing the chromosomes, to see fused together chromosomes I'm not understanding the logic here
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:29 pm
BryneVampyr wrote:
yeah...I am sure that is what happened...it couldn't have possibly been that they actually did DNA tests on the actuall animals that they were interested in...no...they wouldn't have done that.
What??? No. I am talking about humans here people, they didn't find the fused chromosomes in animals. They looked at the chromosomes inside our cells and found the fused chromosomes.
What I am saying is, if evolution were to have some truth to it, the 48 chromosomes that are in nonhuman primates would have had to be reduced to 46 at some point, which is what humans have. They then discovered that the only way that this was even possible without causing harm to our genes would be if 2 pair of chromosomes fused together at some point to make 2 active chromosomes out of the previous 4. Making 46 out of 48 chromosomes in humans.
They compared nonhuman primate genes and chromosomes with human chromosomes and found exactly what would have been necessary in order for the 46 chromosomes in humans.
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:29 pm
vaterflaumig wrote:
BryneVampyr wrote:
yeah...I am sure that is what happened...it couldn't have possibly been that they actually did DNA tests on the actuall animals that they were interested in...no...they wouldn't have done that.
What??? No. I am talking about humans here people, they didn't find the fused chromosomes in animals. They looked at the chromosomes inside our cells and found the fused chromosomes.
I was referring to the primates that they compared the human DNA to...and in any case, I was being sarcastic.
The suggestion that they would have had to just find chromosomes on the floor or something was just silly...all we would have to do is do DNA tests on what ever organisms we were interested in comparing. It isn't like monkey DNA is hard to find...or human DNA for that matter.
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:41 pm
MetLHed4GZus wrote:
So they ran tests on animals that were missing the chromosomes, to see fused together chromosomes I'm not understanding the logic here
What are you not understanding? They look at non-human primate DNA and they look at human DNA...then they compare them.
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:50 pm
Ken miller is a bad scientist.
He si making the assumptiont that two chromosones becoming one.. happened by chance.
Unles syou can prove that such a thing can happen by chance.. than all youare showing is that an amazingly impossible thing happened and humans have one chromosone that is made up of two. That does not mean that this exists do to mutation or evolution. you can Guess that to be the case.. but that;'s the extent of it.
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:42 pm
Kamerad Ash wrote:
Ken miller is a bad scientist.
He si making the assumptiont that two chromosones becoming one.. happened by chance.
Unles syou can prove that such a thing can happen by chance.. than all youare showing is that an amazingly impossible thing happened and humans have one chromosone that is made up of two. That does not mean that this exists do to mutation or evolution. you can Guess that to be the case.. but that;'s the extent of it.
Yeah this is what I was trying to say, that experiment, I just don't see how it could be seen as proving anything
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:08 pm
Actually, wild turkeys are very intelligent. Domesticated turkeys are different.
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:38 pm
I don't know...I had a domestic turkey once, and he was pretty smart...smarter than my chickens.
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Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:06 am
Kamerad Ash wrote:
Ken miller is a bad scientist.
He si making the assumptiont that two chromosones becoming one.. happened by chance.
Unles syou can prove that such a thing can happen by chance.. than all youare showing is that an amazingly impossible thing happened and humans have one chromosone that is made up of two. That does not mean that this exists do to mutation or evolution. you can Guess that to be the case.. but that;'s the extent of it.
But then why else would the fused chromosomes even exist? How else would it have happened?
Subject: Re: Experts confirm asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs 
Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:32 pm
, but I don't see any reason why we need to find an exact reason ofr the dinousaurs being extinct, most likely they died just like any other endangered species died out like Hgouls said, that mixed with the flood taking out the majority of them.
I'm not understanding the logic here
